Philipp Markmann

CMO Western Europe
L’Oréal Group
"We want to become the number one beauty tech company."
As one of the frontrunners in digital transformation, L’Oréal engages consumers with innovative AI and AR solutions. Philipp Markmann, Chief Marketing Officer Western Europe of L’Oréal Group, explains how they are realizing their ambition to become the number one beauty tech company in the world. How do they create meaningful experiences with digital products that help build the love for their brands and recruit new consumers? And how did Covid-19 accelerate this digitization?
Your ambition is to grow and gain new consumers worldwide. How realistic is this in times of Covid-19? 
"We constantly reinvent ourselves. Years ago, we made the fundamental choice that digital is a perfect match with beauty. That's why we started investing in digital capabilities and technology very early on. This has really paid off during the challenging time of Covid-19, which has been a huge digital stress test for many industries, with stores closed and consumers predominantly on their mobiles. The good thing is, we were ready."

Has Covid-19 been an accelerator? 
"Yes, big time. Within a couple of months, we have probably leapfrogged another two or three years in terms of the transformation of the group. For example, e-commerce boomed and made up more than a quarter of global group sales last year. It also rapidly accelerates the transformation of our media mix, towards very digital and being on all the new platforms where the consumer is."

How did L’Oréal perform last year? 
"The most important questions are: are we gaining market share, and are we building leadership in our categories? That's absolutely the case for both e-commerce and brick and mortar, and also across different categories and countries. So, we're on a good track. But of course, we have to constantly disrupt and challenge ourselves to keep winning in this environment."

With less occasions to go out, due to lockdowns, are people using your products as much as before?
"We definitely observed a shift in categories during different phases, depending on what stage a country would be in. Early on, it was rather challenging for the professional products industry, because hairdressers and salons were closed. Makeup didn’t grow either, simply because there were less occasions to wear it. But then we saw a big and ongoing boom in skin care, of wellbeing, cocooning, body care, and hygiene. People like to treat themselves and make the best of the situation."
You are investing heavily in digitization and digital products. Why is this so important for L’Oréal?
"The rapid development and maturity of new powerful technologies, such as AI or Augmented Reality in voice, enable L’Oréal to offer personalized and meaningful experiences. This will help build the love for our brands and recruit new consumers. We started this journey a few years ago. Arguably the most important milestone was the acquisition of ModiFace in 2018, the leading provider of augmented reality for the beauty industry. Online we offer virtual makeup try-on and hair color try-on, but also AI-powered skincare diagnostics, realtime beauty consultations, and more. So, we're building digital services that let consumers have the best possible experience and advice on their smartphones."

Can you give us an example?

"With the Vichy Skin diagnostic, you scan yourself and it will do an analysis of your skin. It's an algorithm, an AI, that uses image recognition. Its huge database gets smarter with every diagnostic. By the end of 2020, we’d done almost four million diagnostics. Consumer adoption is massive, and the people that use this service tend to stay on the site four times longer. Use of these services increases the conversion rate up to three times on our own sites. We want to become the number one beauty tech company. We are in-housing capabilities massively as we fundamentally believe that we need the expertise close to us."
Where can people find these services?
"The Vichy, L’Oréal and Lancôme sites have the options to do a skin diagnostic or find the color that best suits an outfit. We're also exploring video with other partners. We work very closely with Google to embed video’s in YouTube, for example. When there's an ad of a particular brand, people can try the shade directly within the app. And of course, there's always a functionality to convert and to buy, either through our own e-shops or through a partner retailer."
How do retailers respond to your direct-to-consumer selling? 
"Direct-to-consumer is important, but we have very established and flourishing partnerships with big retailers. Through our own e-shops we learn a lot of what's working in terms of content and services. And we can share this expertise with our retail partners."

How big a part of your strategy are influencers?

"Beauty is very social because it's very visual. So, we were on social media and social networks very early on with exciting content that people love to share and engage with. Naturally this is very close to our marketing."

Where lies your main focus: one-to-many or one-to-one?

"It's both. It depends on the moment in the consumer journey. The one-to-one consultation plays a huge role in reinventing the department store feel of a beauty adviser online. But live streaming and live shopping, which is one-to-many, are booming globally."

What is the main challenge for brand owners who want to make a similar digital leap?
"You need to be very clear and strict about the purpose of the brand. What does it stand for? You need to manage this very consistently across your different touch points. Even big established brands must constantly reinvent themselves, whilst staying true to who they are and be relevant for consumers. Our big brands constantly evolve and adapt to new consumer demands, and they are growing even faster than the smaller brands."

What is the main challenge for brand owners who want to make a similar digital leap?

"You need to be very clear and strict about the purpose of the brand. What does it stand for? You need to manage this very consistently across your different touch points. Even big established brands must constantly reinvent themselves, whilst staying true to who they are and be relevant for consumers. Our big brands constantly evolve and adapt to new consumer demands, and they are growing even faster than the smaller brands."

How difficult was it for you to convince L’Oréal board members or the senior VP to follow this digital strategy?
"All of our top management and group executive committee are 100 percent behind this transformation. Of course, as a leadership team it is our role to explain why we are doing this. There are discussions at every step of every transformation. You have to listen to people, be very clear in articulating your vision, and explain why it's crucial to the company's success. You have to inspire others to follow and show them that we all win."
Mark Zuckerberg holds a weekly open talk in which his staff can ask him anything. Does L’Oréal do something similar?
"Yes, our group chief digital officer, Asmita Dubey, frequently holds an AMA: ask me anything. We do this very frequently at the highest company level and also across regions and countries. We have hundreds of people joining and you get a lot of interesting insights."

You're responsible for over 30 global brands. How do you keep a complete overview and stay involved?  

"My role, predominantly, is how I can build, develop and engage all of our amazing teams to enable our transformation. Of course, I cannot keep track of everything, but through the main KPI’s and measurement routines I keep track of our main goals and what will contribute to the business success."

Which top KPI’s are most compelling to you?
"We track the equity of all of our brands in the eyes of the consumer. In the end, our brands are our biggest assets. I also track very closely our e-commerce performance, because it's critical to keep winning in this channel shift. This incorporates both sales and share-of-market. I also monitor very closely how we progressively improve the reach of our services towards consumers. How many consumers are in touch with the services, and how does it contribute in terms of engagement and conversion?"

Do you spend more time crunching data than doing creative work?
"You have to be obsessed by data, be rigorous on the KPI’s, and have very clear measurement routines to cut through all the bullshit and all the ambiguity. But at the same time, you need to be creative. You need that side of the brain as well."
How did you manage to convince men around the world to start moisturizing?
"Men have their needs too. We engage them in the right and relevant way. Men also buy a lot online, so e-commerce is a fantastic opportunity to develop the men's grooming business. Every consumer needs to be catered to in a very personalized and relevant way. I don't think that’s necessarily different for men."
Looking back at 2020, the Covid-19 year, which accomplishment are you most proud of? 
"Of how we managed this big general shift with all the teams, how fast we adjusted our plans, shifted our investments, capitalized on this huge e-commerce explosion, and grew faster than the market. That was a major achievement."

What can we expect of L’Oréal in the near future?

"Our vision is pretty clear. After all the testing and learning, it's now about scaling things massively, which is a big success factor for the company. Furthermore, social commerce will grow even stronger in Europe, as well as live shopping in China, which is a huge part of the business."

You've been at the company for fifteen years. What makes you stick around?
 
"Innovation and disruption are at the heart of the company. That keeps me motivated and helps me grow. The learning curve is just amazingly steep. It's a culture of very motivated, very diverse people that want to collaborate, win, and build cool products and services. Being a global company, with more than 30 brands, there are many career options and locations. Adapting to these different working environments and cultures is fun."
About Philipp Markmann
Philipp Markmann is Chief Marketing Officer, Western Europe at the L’Oréal Group. He's been at the company for 15 years and was stationed in the New York and Düsseldorf offices, before moving to his current position at the Paris headquarters. In his spare time, Philipp is a triathlete.

About L’Oréal Group
L'Oréal S.A. is the world's largest cosmetics company. Over one billion consumers use L’Oréal products, which includes brands like L’Oréal Paris, Vichy, and Lancôme. In 2019 the group had 88,000 employees worldwide and a global revenue of €29.87 billion.

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